M3 Summit: This Changes Some Things. This Changes Others. This Changes Nothing.

Disclaimer: This post is lengthy. It contains strong language. And it will offend people.

So, this past weekend was the Modern Media Man (M3) Summit in Atlanta—the first ever conference intended specifically for dad bloggers (vloggers, podcasters, etc). Seeing as how I was there and all (and a speaker no less), it only seems appropriate that I share a few thoughts. But then again, maybe not. Apparently I didn’t make much of an impression on people. Dave Taylor for instance, introduced himself to me on three separate occasions, which is fine since he doesn’t know I caught him barking into the men’s room mirror, “You’re a winner, Dave. You’re a winner. Mommy’s big boy’s a winner.”

I’ve never been to a gathering of the great blogging minds and had no idea what to expect. Because Donny Claxton was driving a Traverse through this part of the country I rode out with him a few days early, and to pass the time, I pretended the trip was a remake of Trains, Planes & Automobiles. It wasn’t until later that I regretted my movie choice after remembering the part about the two pillows. On the return trip, incidentally, I went with The Cannonball Run which spurred on a good-natured race via Twitter with several others also heading home. We won of course, and all the credit goes to Captain Chaos (aka @DaddyClaxton) for getting from Atlanta to Houston in three and a half hours. (The people at Chevrolet weren’t too happy we turned the Traverse into an ambulance though.)

Things kicked off Thursday evening with baseball hall of famer Cal Ripken giving us a talk on leadership, or that’s what everyone’s Tweets said on my phone which spared me the burden of having to listen. Frankly, I was disappointed. I had been told Chuck Norris was coming and that his opening remarks would be nothing but twenty minutes of round house kicks to our faces for which we would thank him. But no, we were stuck with Cal who was at least gracious enough to pose for pictures and sign autographs. I’m not much of a baseball fan myself, but still, I felt obligated to meet him, I mean he did come all the way over to the hotel. The problem, however, was I didn’t have anything for Mr. Ripken to sign except for my drink tickets. This turned out to be a dandy solution until my seventh beer, at which point I was left with a lone stub adorned with the letters Rip smudged across it.

And then there was the conference…

This Changes Some Things

“This Changes Everything” served as the logan for the M3 Summit. Using such absolute terms in the aftermath would be a bit far reaching. However, a first-ever blog convention dedicated to dads did signify a change in the parent blogging niche, one big enough to attract major brands and sponsors. Were there glitches and drama? Was attendance lower than expected? (Whoever was initially tossing around 700 as a solid estimate obviously partook freely from the Ganja gift basket.) Were some of the speakers so in love with themselves they could a-sexually reproduce? Were there personality conflicts? Yes. Should that overshadow the greater intent of the conference; thus sending a negative signal to brands interested in testing the viability of the dad blogging community? No.

Throw aside all the mistakes and hurt feelings for a moment and consider what a bold move it was for a small group of people to attempt to organize a dad blog conference, and then bring it to fruition on a tight budget. That deserves merit. And to further put this into context, consider this: When BlogHer started in 2005, only 300 people attended, plus it was backed by Azure Capital Partners, The Peacock Fund, and the Rockefellers venture capital wing, Venrock (In case you’re wondering who these cats are, when God needing funding to create the universe, he went to these guys.) That was five years ago, and barring 2010’s numbers, the mega mommy event has yet to make money. [Citation]

Besides, all these conferences have their share these hiccups and heartburn. A good friend of mine who’s also a prominent and respected mommy blogger ran down a whole list of examples with me over coffee after I got back. This then inspired us to found a joint mommy-daddy blogging conference, and to set a proper expectation for attendees, we’re calling it ClusterF#ck 2011.

This Changes Others

By far the greatest benefit of M3 was having the opportunity to meet people I’ve known via social networking for years. I don’t think I laughed so hard over the course of a four-day period as I did last week. Where else could someone sit around with the guys behind Dad Gone Mad, Daddy Scratches, Dad Of Divas, Father Muskrat and Tessa’s Dad, and collectively brag on Twitter about the outrageous M3 swag which included a free Chevy vehicle to drive around for a year and credit at UPS to send all of our goodies home.

It was even funnier to see moms who have been pitching unabashedly for such outlandish freebies get so riled up thinking that we were actually serious. I thought they would’ve caught on when I claimed the massive armload of bags causing me hunch over, contained such coveted swag as autographed head shots of Sylvester Stallone and oversized novelty bottles of Aqua Velva. (Believe it or not, I got an angry DM from a jilted mom wanting to know who to contact about the picture of Sly.)

I could go on and on about how great it was to shake hands with guys I admire like PJ Mullen, or discuss the ups and downs of daddy blogging with DadCentric's Jason Avant, or to act like a high school prankster with my good friend John Cave Osborne. From a purely social standpoint, it was about guys, or as Laid Off Dad put it, "After three BlogHers I found much more opportunity to parrot movie lines drunkenly." Try joking around about someone putting roofies in your drink and then waking up pantless in the hotel alley as the lone male at a mommy conference. On an unrelated note, if you ever run into Father Muskrat, politely refuse his offers to bring you another beer—just saying.

On a serious note, though, I was absolutely blown away talking with guys like Angus Nelson and Jayson Gaddis who are doing so much to help men by sharing their personal stories. And it was hard to not get a lump in your throat listening to Kevin Metzger (The DADvocate) open up about the challenges and painful struggles in his own life, and then see the joy in him the very next day as he walked around with his beautiful daughter. It was little experiences like these that personified the real reason behind why we write blogs about our lives as fathers.

This Changes Nothing

The biggest disappointment of M3 was to see the ongoing exploitation of bloggers by those seeking to use blogs for pimping products, services, events, etc. This is nothing new as it’s been going on in the mommy world for a while, and so to see it being carried over into the dad realm as standard practice brought on the sudden urge to jam a pen into my eyeball. Still, by the same token, bloggers who eagerly accept these trinkets like the Indians who gave away Manhattan or who badger major brands for freebies like bratty kids bare a responsibility here too. (I will be railing on all of this more in future as part of another project in the works.)

Together, these practices are unfortunately why parent blogging is becoming synonymous with consumerism, a point well made by Jason Falls of Social Media Explorer in his informative presentation on Brands and Blogging. I thought it ironic that Stacy DeBroff, founder of Mom Central Consulting, took exception to this point midway through Jason’s talk. But of course she would have to given that her company retains a stable of bloggers hocking the wares of companies such as Mattel and Clorox. For DeBroff to say otherwise would send a message to her business partners that Mom Central’s primary resource—word-of-mouth marketing via mom blogs—is in danger of becoming caustic. In a certain sense, this would be like Heidi Fleiss admitting to clients that her D Team has STD's. (And for the record, I’m not inferring that DeBroff is running a blogging bordello.)

But DeBroff’s presence at M3 was not merely because the pastries offered in the lobby between sessions were kick ass. Mom Central Consulting is launching a Dad Central branch headed by John Porcaro who successfully spearheaded X-Box’s blogging campaign. Together DeBroff and Porcaro shared the results of a survey intended to show rising influence of men as consumers.

Interesting as their findings were, what had me reaching for a BIC ballpoint with one hand and stretching my eyelids open with the other was the method in which Dad Central plans to entice those writing from the male chromosome perspective. In a nutshell, they’re going to toss out a product to their bullpen of dad bloggers and then see who will take a bite out of such dangling carrots as gift cards. An even worse version of this tactic could be found in an informational handout offered to attendees by another dad-focused consulting business. Their idea for rewarding involvement is to automatically enter participating dads in a sweepstakes for fun prizes. Okay, yeah I realize they are trying to avoid bias advertorials (that’s a topic for another day), but a drawing that could mean busting my hump for nothing? Well f#ck me! My naughty parts are tingling all over. Where do I sign up?

Let me stop here for a second to make a something very clear. For those daddy bloggers looking to partner with brands, you need to understand that consultants, marketers, PR firms and so on, are paid by brands for their services and thus their loyalty resides with their clients, not you. It is therefore up to us to seek commensurate compensation of some form (not necessarily cash) in exchange for what we offer in our blogs. Yet, keep in mind that not everyone is out to take advantage of bloggers and companies like Chevrolet and T-Mobile who were conference sponsors are attempting to demonstrate this in their efforts.

One of the big riddles trying to be solved throughout the conference had to do with how to get men to engage. There are ways to do this, but I’m of the opinion that handing out paltry treats on par with Happy Meal toys isn’t the magic bullet. Thankfully others like Caleb Gardner of Edelman Digital and Weber Shandwick’s Alan Kercinik, both of whom I had long discussions with, see this too. The same goes for Craig Heimbuch, Editor-in-Chief of Man of the House.com who lead a roundtable discussion meant to explore ways in which to effectively reach today’s man with realistic messages that represent who we are.

When it came to the business side of blogging, I felt that aside from several exceptions, there were few takeaways for dads to use in helping to substantiate the influence of the daddy blog niche. It was apropos (and hilariously so) that “creative freak” Ted Murphy in his presentation, Making Money on your Blog, closed the M3 Summit by telling an audience full of hopeful dad bloggers that there was no real money in what they were doing. Then someone handed Ted a large bag of cash as he walked out the door, after which several now purposeless attendees proceeded to go off and either slit their wrists, step in front of buses, or jump from the 11th floor of the hotel, crushed over the notion that 2010, the year of the Daddy Blogger, had ended before the apocalyptic destruction of the planet predicted in 2012 by the Mayan calendar.

I hate to finish on such a negative note, especially after having had so much fun in the conference. In fact, I’d go again simply for the social aspect, and most of the guys I talked with said the same. However, as more and more dad bloggers start jumping into things midstream, these issues which have been the source of debate and frustration among the mommies for a while now, need to be brought to light in collective forums. So, despite all the opinions, politics, and drama endemic to the conference itself, the real value of the M3 Summit was that it served as a starting point for dads to take part in these discussions in order to bolster the credibility and value offered to brands by professional parent blogging community as a whole.


For a great recap from other dads at M3, go here to Man Of The House.com where you can also learn about "The Bison Incident."

This post has been approved by Chuck Norris


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Clearly I didn't hang around the Expo very much, I can't believe I missed out on the opportunity for fun prizes. DAMN! Anyway, will Clusterf#ck 2011 be in Houston? I've always wanted to visit. Maybe Chevy will lend me a Camaro so I can re-enact Smokey and the Bandit (and I know it was a Firebird, but they probably won't resuscitate Pontiac to make the stunt more authentic)
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Hey, I missed out the prizes too, but that's cool. If we host conf here, I'll get Chevy here and totally stump for you. I'm so thankful that we got to meet.
Oh, and, of course, it was great to finally meet you. I wish I was able to get down the night before for the start of things, I felt like I missed out on a lot.
Great food for thought.

I did a couple of giveaways recently and have found them to not really be worth it unless it is a product that I firmly support or would be worth my time.

I'll still do some, but not many.
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I'm sorry. Didn't mean to make it sound like giveaways and reviews are bad. They've got their place. What I'm referring too is that mentality of doing it for free just to get cool stuff with little thought for what value it might provide to readers. In other words it's not about blogging, but rather a means to a free ride. I think that cheapens things for the rest of us who really care about our readers and our blogs. Me, I can't do products and give aways because no one comes here to read that kind of stuff, but that's not true of someone like say GeekDad who is a gadget expert. Sorry again if I came across that way. You're the real deal and waaaay above the practices I'm referring to here.
If Clusterf#ck 2011 is held in Houston I intend to go speeding through Bellaire while driving a sponsor's vehicle- and hopefully with them in the car.
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I'd pay solid money to see that happen. Gonna start calling sponsors now to get something rolling.
Sorry I missed out on all the fun! Meeting the guys (or gals), as you point out, is the best part of such gatherings. The rest is certainly open to very lengthy debates that I am sure will continue to escalate as the niche starts to fill up. I just hope for everybody's sake that we don't go down the "cat fighting" road that I have seen quite often on the mom's side of the room and that I am afraid I have already seen happen on certain occasions on our side. There is no doubt that freebies let alone money makes people do crazy things. I prefer sticking to our stereotype of having a quick scuffle and then laughing about it over a beer with no hard feelings. But that's just me and it may just be wishful thinking. Now where do I go to pick up my check? :)
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Would've been great if you were there. I thought I heard you were coming. You've got the right perspective on the cat fights, though. Doesn't need to sink us, when we can drown ourselves in a few beers.
It's obvious from your post that if Chuck Norris HAD shown off, he would've challenged Ted Murphy to a cage match. And won. I would've flown to Atlanta for that.
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That might've made Pay-Per-View
As someone that couldn't make an impression via email (see, emails from M3 to "Will") I feel your pain, but not really because you at least got to hang with the boys and steal a tiger. I bet that was awesome.

I spend a good portion of my time dealing with PR people and the companies they represent, and I can honestly say that many of them are happy to make it worth the blogger's time, assuming they have the resources to do so. The best advice I could offer someone interested in doing reviews/giveaways is to establish a clear and public policy with regard to such and then stick to it. Not that anyone asked for my advice.
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I'm glad you mention your experience with PR and companies because 1) it's coming from someone who's been doing this for a long while and was specifically mentioned during the one of the presentations 2) it shows that not everyone is out to exploit bloggers. Like you, the pr people & companies I've worked with are professionals and understand they have to ante up. I don't want to scare everyone into thinking the boogey man's out to get them, bloggers just need to be smart. So your suggestion is a prime example of how to do that. And whether I ask or not, because it's you, the advice is always welcome.

And for the record, that tiger really tore us up.
Excellent and honest recap. Thanks for the mention my friend. Your presentation along w/ John's & Danny's was exceptional. I'm up for Clusterf*ck 2011 though I'm hoping for a Rat Race/It's a Mad, Mad World type of theme. That and I'm hoping Johnsonville Brats will sponsor.
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Ha! Thanks. I'm all about a Mad Mad World, but this idea of getting meat to sponsor us... frankly, I'm worried. Lol!
Well, the meat is mostly in reference to just about the only PR pitches I've ever gotten involve me pimping meat...whoa, you're right, that doesn't sound good at all ;
a few things here.

dave taylor, simply put, is self-smitten.

i expected you to make note of my peerless impersonation skills -- aka rodney dangerfield and elmo and the disturbing hybrid you suggested i try -- tickle me rodney. sounds like some kind of irish pervert if you ask me.

it's hard for me to comment on a lot of your content b/c, well, i'm not interested in intentionally maneuvering my blog in hopes of courting brands. to do so, IMHO (not to get all "creative freak" on you) requires a disproportional amount of work for a minimal amount of gain. and given my current sources of income, it makes more sense from an efficiency standpoint to focus on them.

plus, all i really wanna do on my blog is write. and part of what i wanna write about is being a dad. and the reason why i wanna do that is b/c i wanna show by example that it's cool to be an emotionally available, plugged in father. but more than anything else, i wanna use the word wanna.

in closing, i'll say this...should there be conferences of this nature in the future, i would likely attend. but it would be more for the value of fellowship and networking than it would be for the value of a dollar. that said, if my participation (and the participation of the other attendees) in such an event helps drive brands to dads, or vice versa, even though that's not my particular gig at this point? that would be a great thing, indeed.

b/c i'm proud to be a part of this community and would like nothing more than to see its continued evolution and success.

and i suppose that's all i have to say.

OH, except one last thing. on my way out the door, if you will.

*blows kiss towards dave taylor* see you around, handsome.
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bwahahaha! I thought you were a cool guy before, but after Atlanta, I'm thinking of moving to Tennessee! You are the perfect example of having a purpose behind your blogging endeavors, and you do it well. Of course, those bloggers who have a sense of themselves draw in big readerships which in turn draw the brands so get ready to beat them off in droves, my friend.

All that aside, they could've never put on a single presentation at M3 and it still would've been a success solely on the merits of our hanging out together. Dude, that disarming grin of yours makes me wonder want mischievous idea is running through your head.

kiss kiss, hug hug, big boy =-)
I have to admit that I would have enjoyed heckling y'all. It could have been fun. ;)
You'd have been afforded many an opportunity.
Excellent post, Ron. I had a great time in Atlanta. The value for me was hanging out with guys that I like and respect; as far as attracting brands, working with brands, and build my own brand? Eh, been there, done that. And it struck me that for a conference that was aimed at dadbloggers, there were relatively few dadbloggers presenting sessions. Hopefully, any future dadblog conferences will do a better job at providing content and speakers that have real value to those who attend. And hopefully the swag bags at those conferences won't be emblazoned with Hot Pink lettering.

(Full Disclosure: I was on the M3 Summit Advisory Board, and...well, here I reflect on the meaning of the word "advisory". Something to do with "to advise", which my fellow board members and I did to the best of our ability. Suffice it to say that if our advice to the M3 Bosses had been heeded, the event might have been a better experience for everyone involved.)
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Thanks, Jason. Atlanta definitely was one of the best experiences I've had in a long, long time, and mostly for the same reason you mention here and on DadCentric. On the business/blog/brand side of things I walked out a of few of the sessions thinking "so what." Jason Falls's and Caleb's presentations, though, probably offered the most value to the dad bloggers.

I think it's important that we walk away from this conference extolling the social aspect of it to attract more attendance in the future (which everyone seems to be doing); however, if we want to increase the quality of it, we need to take a critical look at the sessions. If we don't, then what's the point of having a dad blog conference if dads aren't learning anything. Okay, great. The first one's off the ground, now let's focus on making it something worthwhile in the future. Let's have some honest dialog in an open, professional forum.

Guys like you and me have invested a large portion of time and energy into blogging as dads. We know there are ways to maintain our credibility with audiences while still working with brands. As such, I think those that understand this niche have a responsibility to be vocal about what's going on and take a leadership role to make our community more than just an appendage to the influence moms have earned. All that to say, yeah, I agree with you.

And next year's swag should include drink tickets to a transvestite karaoke bar. (I feel like an punk for falling asleep on that deal. My ass was dragging.)

PS. Thanks for pimping this despite the massive amount of typos, which were embarrassing as hell.
I was surprised at how few dad bloggers there were as well and it's too bad the M3 bosses didn't heed some of the advising, as fun as it was there were still some quite a few head scratching moments throughout.
Thanks, Jason. Atlanta definitely was one of the best experiences I've had in a long, long time, and mostly for the same reason you mention here and on DadCentric. On the business/blog/brand side of things I walked out a of few of the sessions thinking "so what." Jason Falls's and Caleb's presentations, though, probably offered the most value to the dad bloggers.

I think it's important that we walk away from this conference extolling the social aspect of it to attract more attendance in the future (which everyone seems to be doing); however, if we want to increase the quality of it, we need to take a critical look at the sessions. If we don't, then what's the point of having a dad blog conference if dads aren't learning anything. Okay, great. The first one's off the ground, now let's focus on making it something worthwhile in the future. Let's have some honest dialog in an open, professional forum.

Guys like you and me have invested a large portion of time and energy into blogging as dads. We know there are ways to maintain our credibility with audiences while still working with brands. As such, I think those that understand this niche have a responsibility to be vocal about what's going on and take a leadership role to make our community more than just an appendage to the influence moms have earned. All that to say, yeah, I agree with you.

And next year's swag should include drink tickets to a transvestite karaoke bar. (I feel like an punk for falling asleep on that deal. My ass was dragging.)

PS. Thanks for pimping this despite the massive amount of typos, which were embarrassing as hell.
Hm.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that the big problem with this conference is the clear west coast bias. Bring that show out here or to Vegas and watch the hordes descend upon it. If nothing else you just provided me with more blog fodder.

And that is good because I never have enough to write about.
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If they brought it to Vegas no one would attend the session - me included. I've never shared my Vegas stories yet. Those are staying in the vault.

...on second thought I'm stumping for Vegas next year.
Totally hoptastic entry, dude.

Like most of you guys, I have a blog because I like to write. Well, that, and I'm narcissistic and neurotic and needy and base my self worth on flattering comments left mostly by total strangers. Having said all of that, if someone came along and gave me the opportunity to make a few bucks and/or have an amazing experience without having to compromise myself or my blog content, I wouldn't slam the door in their face.

All of that notwithstanding, however, the greatest part of attending M3 Summit was hanging with a bunch of awesome dudes whom I'd never met before, and now can't wait to hang with again.

Word.
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No YOU"RE hoptastic my friend. (but thanks)

We joke, but blogging is like crack. When we post something and 100 people comment, it feels goooood. We can't help but to bust out a credit card and mirror and then snort another line. Man, I feel like such a hypocrite now after taking that cruise.

You da man! Can't wait to do it again with y'all.
I like the dialogue going on here...it makes me glad I waited til late in the day to read and comment.

When I saw the tweets about being mentioned in one of the sessions led by a PR/Marketing group, I had to chuckle a bit, because, while I did get an invite or two to events sponsored by companies at BlogHer through that PR firm, I wasn't asked to pimp any products or do any reviews (or giveaways). I get emails with offers to participate, and I delete them. Like my favorite Knoxvillian, John, it doesn't make sense for me to spend hours on a project for which I'll get a trinket when I have real work to do every night that actually pays well. That, and few companies are going to want to associate themselves with a blog with post titles like "fuck you, prospective home buyers" and "my 2-year-old loves the indo."

I too thought it a bit odd that the conference was marketed to several of us as for "dad bloggers" when many of the speakers were folks I'd never heard of. Somebody (maybe Jason or John or you) tried to put together a dad bloggers panel about boundaries for the M3 Conf, but it didn't pass muster, apparently. But that's okay...as some of the other folks have said, I enjoyed the company and camaraderie. And, I actually did learn a thing or two in a couple of the sessions.

Speaking of the learning, when we fly out for the Mrs's book signing in late October, I do hope we can get together. I'll have a 5-month-old with me, but she does sleep every once in a while.
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All good points. In the near future I need to qualify some of my remarks. Like you, I've had good experiences with PR firms & brands, but they represent less than a handful compared to what comes through my inbox. So, yeah, working with these guys is not a bad thing, it's just that we need to work with those that are professionals. All in all, this is the kind of stuff that we should be talking about at the conference. And really, there were some good presentations; my remarks here are only directed at those aimed at blogging as a business.

Thanks for taking it easy on my ass the last couple days. Once I saw you flirting with Daddy Salmon, I knew who was getting roofied next.

Hit me up in October with all the info. We'll even come to the signing.
I'm a baseball freak but...Cal Ripken, really? Why?

Clusterf#ck...making hotel reservations now....

As for the free sh*t to hawk angle...yep I fell for it and I'm paying for it now. It hasn't brought me crap except no comments and no readers. Self esteem for being swayed is at an all time low. Once I finish two more reviews, I'm done. Unless they are willing to pay me with actual value for my time. Period.

Excellent post as always Ron. I was very curious what you would think of the conference. For me, from now on, I'm in for the social-friends aspect. Oh, and the free drinks ;)
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Really, You don't understand the value of Cal? Cal is a great guy and can really be put forward as a hero to kids. There are so few athletes with his caliber of integrity. I'm a huge Cal fan just not as big a fan as my friend John Cave Osborn.
Not dissing Cal as a player, just not sure why he would be at the summit. Does he blog? ;)
I was big time guilty of this in my early days. I looked at the moms and thought this is what you do with a blog. When I started getting contacted by PR firms and advertisers, I took it to mean I was on my way to the big time. But it took me a while to figure out none of my readers gave a crap; they came for the stories. I say that because I see so many dads falling for this same trap unknowingly, and the more it happens it will only hurt, not only dads, but it will underscore the cynicism over it on the mommy side.

Been reading a lot of good posts from moms just in the past couple weeks on how to ask for fair compensation in some form and still not scare people off. I'll send you the link. to one of them.

Thanks for the comment!
Oh, and my take on Cal. I'm not sure what the thought process was. Chevy was (I think) the ones with the contacts to bring him in, but I had a lot (10 or 12) of guys wondering what the connection was between Cal and M3's intent.

I was sort of joking about the burden of listening to him. Truth was, I ended up getting there late to his talk because I was primping too much in my room and so I followed the tweets for a while.

Personally, I've got nothing against the guy and in fact, I do respect him for his character and integrity. In hindsight, and in the context of this post, I think the takeaway is that for us dads who blog, we have a responsibility to be leaders that other dad bloggers can look to, and we need to display an integrity that shows through in what we are communicating. Or something like that. I'm so cheesy.
Out of all the good and interesting stuff you wrote the only thing I can focus on is that you called my discussion of my father="extended Family" "harsh". I definitely told about the issues we have had but if I was harsh then I communicated poorly. Despite all the issues we've had I still love and respect my dad and did not intend to use harsh words to describe what was happening.

Alright now that I have that out of the way, I agree with about 95% of what you say here. The guys were awesome, there were some great speakers, and there were some missed opportunities. As for giveaway's and shit like that I can't honestly say I have an interest in doing that kind of work. To me the blogging I do is developing a platform to leverage. I never expect it to be the sole source of income but rather a place where I build my brand that I can then leverage into real money opportunities such as speaking, consulting and other gigs. If a brand finds value in my work I won't shy away from compensation or sponsorship but I'm much more like a race care team than I am a mommy blogger. You want to display you got to pay!
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Kevin, I sincerely apologize for how I worded that. What I was trying to say (and I'm going to go back and change it) is how powerful it was for you to open up about the difficulties with your dad. I meant "harsh" as in the situation was harsh to deal with. I also debated whether or not to mention your dad specifically because I didn't want someone in your family to ever find it and it lead to more problems. I know you love your dad; that's where the pain came from in your story. I also didn't want to just say your "family" because I thought it would imply within your immediate family and that's certainly not the case--quite the opposite in fact. If you'd like me to just drop the whole line altogether I'm more than willing to do that. But let me say this, you were the best example of a man who is authentic in his feelings, a father who loves his family, and a guy who is using social media to help other men to do so too. That's not just me buttering you up--I'm not the only one who thought that. So, I saw you as the quintessential example of what this conference was supposed to be about. Now that I have that out of the way. =-)

I'm good with agreeing only 95%. In fact I'd like people to disagree with me, because this is a conversation that needs to be had early. I'm not a give away guy either, but there's nothing wrong with it. The problem though is that many out there think this is what you do. You and I know differently, but until others stop running the green sheets on their site, then it cheapens the message of our platforms to some extent (some more than others).

You definitely have a solid philosophy in that blogging is only one part of what you do within the framework of a bigger effort. And if someone wants to pay for what we do, good. I'm all for it as long (as it doesn't compromise my content) because it also sends a message to readers that if companies are willing to invest dollars in a blog, then that blog must have some serious credibility.

Thanks again Kevin. You are first class.
Ron, Wow and thank you very much.

I'm moved by your first paragraph and the reason I call out that extended family = dad is because I had other extended family in town this weekend and would not want any misunderstanding there as I was unable to spend much time with them. I'm perfectly fine with you leaving the reference to the discussion in the post, but would appreciate if it were reworded.

Now let's talk about disagreement. I've been back and forth on the topic of give aways and stuff like that. Again it's not for me personally at least not on The DADvocate site but I think there are some men out there who like that concept. I don't have a problem with that as I still control my brand and my content. I don't feel that others selling themselves short lessons the viability of my brand especially in our market. I truly believe that companies will have to take a different approach when selling to men then they do selling to women.

When we compulsively buy something it's usually expensive compared to an outfit, broom or whatever. We generally plan for most of our purchases and tend to enjoy buying specific items. I don't think nor do I personally care if a stroller company markets to me, however I do like the idea of man bags but as a working dad I honestly can use my old backpack for the times I'm with the kids. I'm not likely to buy a bag simply for the purpose of caring for my child. Now if you make the bag something I can carry my gear in I might be interested. Here is the point. I buy or guide my wife to buy a large variety of products from cooking utensils (I like to cook, anybody who met me at M3 can pretty much verify I like to eat) to technology and technology services to investments and mortgage. I have preference about which cleaning products we buy and I insist on buying bleach to have in our house. These are all decisions that I make and often my wife executes. Oh yeah if you want me to see your advertising and you want to change my mind about these products then you have to find me. You can't reach me via the tv and you better find people to recommend your products outside of traditional media because I don't like scripted messages. Oh and 60% of the men who took my survey agree. They watch less then 1hr/day of tv.

BTW Ron I'd like to catch up with you about something.
Changes made, and again sorry for screwing that up.

Now onto the discussion. Actually, I think we actually agree for the most part. I'm not against give aways, contests, product reviews or monetizing a blog in any way as long as that's a blog's audience and the overall content is good. Not that I get into that myself, but if the right deal came along where I could generating income and not compromise my voice or alienate my audience you can be sure I'll be on it like a hobo on a hotdog.

Guys like DadLabs, Geek Dad, and Dad of Divas are good examples of how to do this, and I would trust what they said assuming I was in the market for something in their realm of expertise and more so since I know them. Same goes for researching the big stuff. This is all something I intend of elaborating on in the future, because I don't want dads to think product reviews and brands are all bad. They're not.

What you're saying along with your findings supports a point I'm trying make to consultants, PR firms, etc and that is that there is no "one-size-fits-all" approach in reaching every guy out there. Before companies could blast the a universal message through the traditional media outlets, today, the companies that want to be effective need to seek out those with effective social media platforms and reach their audiences with a unique and more tailored message meant to engage them.
wow what a recap. thanks for the punchline that there is no money in blogging. was beginning to suspect as much.
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No, but... the same is true about books too. Books are more about establishing yourself and gaining credibility in what you're doing. The same should be true of blogs as well.
This is almost exactly the picture I had of the conference based on the pre-conference enthusiasm and mid-conference tweeting.

If I ever go to a blogging conference for a primary reason that isn't meeting people I like to talk to then, as G.O.B. Bluth would say, "I've made a huge mistake."
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Those who came solely for the sessions and not to socialize became fodder for those of us who came to drink.
One thing to take away from the branding-marketing aspect is this: these opportunities both increase with perceived reach and also actually increase reach. Mom bloggers get other kinds of exposure than just on their own blogs because of their perceived influence with consumers and readers, and this means being able to sell an image to an audience outside their normal channels. Think of all the moms who have been on talk shows in the last year, based on their blogging influence. Dads will see an increase in that kind of megaphone access too. The cost is high, since it means stretching a bit beyond the "I just like to write" persona, but to be able to participate in the offline culture discussion of parenting it might be worth it.

Of course, it's hard to say to any one blogger "your selling out will be for the greater good even if you, in particular, never get heard from again". It's especially hard to say that when it's so easy to be cynical about the impact we can have on broader culture, or when we overestimate the impact we can have just by putting our words out there.
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Outstanding point. (and you're such a laid back guy on Twitter) To a large extent I don' t think there's anything wrong with trying to attain that high level of perceived (like that word), influence. That's basically being entrepreneurial. But if your content sucks, and you're still trying to go this route, well, then, that's a problem because it cheapens the platform.

This is a broad statement, but I think it's funny to see the garage sale bloggers keep putting all this effort into attaining influence and yet they get nowhere, while the creative types who just want to write gain that influence inadvertently and want nothing to do with the offers jamming their inboxes.

Still, great comment, Shawn. Exactly the kind of stuff that needs to be brought to the table.
FWIW- I disagree with saying that bloggers are being exploited. You always have a choice- if you don't like the terms just say no.
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Jack, I agree with this sentiment. If you as a bloger are not getting offers you feel are worth your time then don't take them. Continue building your platform (blog) until it generates the kind of influence that merits the money you want. Spending the time to build influence is where the payoff will come from.
Absolutely. If you build it they will come. Same thing happens if you jerk it except building doesn't require tissue and a cigarette afterwards.

On a serious note it is not impossible to turn blogging into a business, but it takes a lot of work and time to make it happen. i don't claim to be an expert, but the question I ask is whether you have the time/money to do the work to make it happen.

Gather enough eyeballs and the sponsors will follow.
Content content content. Integrity, integrity, integrity.
And that's the difference between bloggers who empower themselves by taking the time to become smarter about these things and display their integrity, and those who are feeding off the quick fix. But even so, it's scary (and sad) to see so many well-meaning bloggers who think saying Yes is the path to notoriety and credibility when in fact it's the opposite.
Terrific recap and discussion... in all honesty (and with the exception of the always-rewarding on-site socializing), I feel like I'm getting more out of what I'm seeing here than I probably would have out of the conference itself.

That said, I'm totally on board with hitting Clusterf#ck 2011. Gimme a date and a destination, and I'll start plannin'.
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Early word is that since it is Clusterf#ck 2011, the conference is going to be in Gary, Indiana. Woo hoo!
Thanks. I'm glad this post didn't go down in flames and it's providing some value. We need to be honest about all the crap out there. I'm being challenged by the comments, and I'm hoping some of those mentioned above as well as others in that mindset see this dialogue and rethink their strategies.

You better come to Cluster F#ck '11. My partner in crime (you know who) wouldn't let you do otherwise.
I hear she's a knee-breaker. It's intimidating.
You seem to already be aware of this, but this sounds EXACTLY like the male version of BlogHer. The biggest value is the social aspect.
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Great post and very interesting read. As someone who's entered the Daddy Blogging World just 3 short months ago I love taking all these articles in. I did find it interesting that there were so many active Women/Mom's not only running the event but participating. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE WOMEN! (not as much as my wife but you get the idea) but this being the First "Men's" "Daddy Blogging" Conference you'd just expect, well, that it'd be run and presented by Dad's. Not to say that women shouldn't be involved but it is a bit weird.

It think the overall concept is amazing and I wished I could've attended if for nothing else meeting all you great guys.

As for blogging I don't think everyone should be lumped into one big pool of assumptions. Different Daddy Bloggers have different intentions. I was approached by a company to do a review in return they would offer me a very pricey product of my choosing (no direct compensation). I was hesitant at first and warned them I was going to be brutally honest. I felt relief when I found out that they were actually a great company and service so all is good. I make a lot of money in my "real" job so what I do or don't do on my blog is up to me and not anybody else. In other words, my time is valuable and this is my blog not anybody else's to buy. Thanks for keeping the dialogue open so the rest of us have something to chew on while we're weeding through this process.
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Welcome to the world of daddy blogging! Ha. You're point about the women makes sense and has come up before. To be fair (and I'm only saying this for anyone who might read this and think there's woman bashing afoot--I love women too), there were quite a few men behind the event, and to their credit it was a strong woman who took the initiative to bring it all together. On the flip side, there is a large consensus that next year's topics need to be more dad blog centered.

I agree with you that not everyone should be lumped into one big pool either. From where dads sit we understand this is not the case, but from the outside looking in there is a perception that parent blogging is about making money. The unfortunate part is that for the most part there are a ton of great bloggers out there, many of whom monetize their sites, but that is tarnished by those bloggers focused on making money over providing good content or deriving fulfillment from community.

And working with a company is not bad by any means. You provide a good example in sharing your experience. You provided a service and received compensation for it. Too many bloggers don't request that and do it for free. On a collective scale this devalues the services and audience a good blogger can provide to a company because why would they pay for something when they can get it for free from someone else.

Great comment. Really glad you chimed in.
Excellent discussion, everyone. I hope you know that while brands may want your endorsement or mention of their products, none of the brands I've ever worked with in this space disrespect that you're all individuals with your own "brands" to consider, and if it's not in your best interest to talk about their products, you should always say no.

As a long-time blogger myself, I hope that every blog post I write is worth reading by someone, and adds some value to their life. Whether it's a smile, or some advice, or a decent product review written from first-hand experience, I turn to y'all to get something. I hope that our firm can do that in some small part for you.
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John, thanks for adding to the discussion. One of the intents of this post was to be provocative and spur on a dialog meant to improve the dad blog community, and to have you weigh in speaks well to Dad Central's goal of working with dads and brands.

In fact, I think you have a great opportunity in front of you and can make a lot of headway in enhancing the viability and increasing the visibility of dad blogs. The challenge to this, and I'm referring to this on a broad scale, is using the nuances that make us unique in comparison to mom bloggers in a way that both meets the brand's aims and encourages engagement by men.

And yes, I'd wager to say the large majority of brands don't want to disrespect us, but personally, I'm sensing a gap where companies are wondering how do we engage men and the dad bloggers are wondering how to work with brands without compromising. Sort of like two porcupines trying to huddle up in a snowstorm.

Thanks again John for joining in. If we can ever help out let us know.
Being a new blogger I will admit that I lost myself/my voice for a while - it was overwhelming the incoming of products... now I've gotten much better control and really only promote products I use or brands I enjoy - I say No way more now...

I really wanted to be at M3.
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It would've been great having you there. And hey, I fell for all the products and giveaways in place of my voice too when I first got started. Maybe that's why I'm so vocal about it, because I'm trying to make amends for dissing myself. And don't get me wrong, reviews and working with brands are not wrong. We need that too.

Thanks for the comment. Means a lot.
Ron ... great write up and as always, we at ManoftheHouse.com appreciate the honesty in your writing. It isn't my place to get into the other stuff, so I'll go with this. I agree that the best part was meeting many of the writers whom I respect and read on a daily basis, and meeting many new ones that I will read on a daily basis from now on.
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check you out... are you running for office? Mayor of Cincinnati? Don't pay for your Bison with a check.
After reading my comment, I think the best thing for me to do is take a bath now. I did sound a little too political. Well ... nice to know I have a future somewhere.
Group hug time. ;) Someone toss me a beer.
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yeah, I'm really thirsty.
This Pabst for you... wait, was I promoting a brand there?
Dude, we got to go Lowenbrau. Power of the penis, er lower voices. All together now, "here is to good friends tonight is kind of special...."
My...sides...are....splitting...from...the...laughing.

You, sir, could recap poo and make it entertaining. I can't believe I read the whole thing.

I am not a dad, and this isn't my conference, so I'm going to shut my trap and just say that I hope to hell the guys learn from the triumphs and failures of the gals that have already made them.

Oh, and you know I'm going to mention that Blogher does not in any way, shape or form solely equal moms, even though I'll admit that a large portion of the attendees do seem to be moms. I only mention this because I've been able to present twice at Blogher, never once as a mom. There are parts of it for moms, but the conference isn't in any way catered to them. They just choose to attend it.
Also, remember to tell you sometime about how Mr Taylor was so nice and pleasant and not a condescending complete schmuck of a jerkface to me, and didn't at all throw his big, hard internet importance in my stupid girl face and put me right in my place at the DNC party I threw, which he was merely an invited guest to.
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I glad that never ever happened. Boy, that would be beyond rude if it ever did. (wink, wink)
Sounds like quite an event! I have always wanted to attend a blogging event, but so far, I live too far from most of them. I hope someday I can afford to go to one. There are so many out there to choose from! fitness blogging events, mommy blogging events and now daddy blogging events too! (Maybe my husband can go to one of those.) :)
Sorry for the formatting. Also I wish I could have been in Atlanta. have been hacking at keyboard in the blogging world for over 5 years. Here are some observations about blogging, branding and advertising, conferences and such that kind of go along with this post.

__ __1Blogging for the most part is an individual sport. What BlogHer and Federation Media did was figure out a way to make a bunch of individuals come together to make advertiser notice the medium. Power in numbers. With a few key anchors such as Pioneer Woman or Dooce or the likes they built their numbers. Numbers is what matters to advertisers. But the true numbers is the numbers of the AUDIENCE….The AUDIENCE Plays a big part in all of this.

____2.Some companies figured out a way to tap into the blog market without spending true money was to offer free review products as a way to get the word out. People who were not part of the larger group jumped at the chance. People who read blogs started to see all the review crap and I know there is SEO stuff involved in this type of
marketing which is totally different than advertising. Not caring about the AUDIENCE but more about getting their name out there.

____3.BlogHer as an organization holds a conference to enlighten their stable of people. Advertisers/Brands/Whatever…see the opportunity to solicit freebies products to a bunch of people at once instead of the individual. It works for a few years. But what prevails at the conference is that people who only knew each other on the computer got a chance to meet and
socialize and it was FUN. FUN is what made people want to go back.

______4.Advertising and PR almost now become one and the same due to Social Media/ Facebook, twitter and instant news, texting. The old saying in the restaurant business is “If a person has a good dining experience they tell one other person. If they have a bad dining experience they tell 10 other people.” PR is put into play to make sure that those 10 other people do not get the bad info. Or that good info is the only thing people can find. Again the Audience.

____5.Somewhere the FCC gets involved.

____6.If M3 organization wants to succeed they may want to work on a model similar
to BlogHer where one organization speaks for a bunch of people. That is when advertiser and the like will appreciate the male family blogger. As an individual voice it becomes difficult. A group holds a larger Audience. But in all honesty the Audience is the same Audience that mom blogger have. Men and Women interested in the medium of blogging who have falling into the niche of being a parent blogger. Why? Because it is what most of us know, also it is what most of the AUDIENCE know, being a parent. Soon we are all just running the same ads and same pitches to each other. I think
Blogher’s advertisers are now just discovering that very fact. The ads they run are viewed by the same people on the same sights. I have an ad for huggies on my blog and then I go read Mom 101 and she has the exact same ad. Where is the penetration (hey now.)?

____7.This is an evolving medium and no one is ever going to get it exactly right and when they do, it will change. A conference should be more of a meet and greet but it gets disguised a business thing/marketing PR thing so we all
can justify to ourselves, our spouses and everyone else that there are some really cool people like Muskrat and CK Lunchbox that you want to meet.
Brands. Well, the intersection between blogging and branding is something that fascinates me (as you may know). Can't say that your experience is a surprize. why would any company involve themselves in a conference like M3 other than to co-opt the bloggers attending?

There's an old, tasteless joke about an old man/woman who offers an attractive young woman/man £1,000,000 to sleep with him/her. S/he (you can tell this story in three different combinations) hesitates then finally agrees, providing no-one ever finds out. S/he immediately reduces the offer to a tenner.
"What on earth do you think I am? I've never been so insulted in my life!"
The androgynous oldster is nonplussed by the reaction.
"Well, we know what you are. We're merely debating the price."
Now as ever, I wouldn't (joking aside) say that no-one should work with brands. But the dynamic of your blog, no matter what, is utterly changed the moment you decide to accept sponsorship or promote a product someone else is paying for. You'll never blog innocently again. Even your 'honest' blogging will be self-consciously so.
Disclosure: Dad Who Writes is a card-carrying lefty and someone makes a living generating commercial revenue for his organisation by any means necessary. Including social media.
The whole reason I did not attend was simply the absence of Chuck Norris, in any capacity. M3 has not arrived until the day the Norris speaks under its banner.

Thanks for sharing the detail of what seems to have been a fun, if frustrating at times, event.

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